In today's interview, Janet defines religious kid maltreatment, nosotros verbalize almost religious authoritarian cultures; verbalize over examples of religiously motivated physical, emotional as well as sexual abuse, as well as medical neglect; verbalize almost the laws that are inward position that encourage religious kid maltreatment, as well as verbalize over some ways that social service providers tin strength out verbalize amongst parents almost authoritarian religious communities as well as religious kid maltreatment.
Transcript
In today’s Social Work Podcast, episode 71, Religious Child Maltreatment, I speak amongst award-winning journalist as well as author, Janet Heimlich almost her book: Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment published inward 2011 past times Prometheus Books. I was truly interested inward talking amongst Janet because her mass focuses on something that is rarely discussed inward social run – the purpose of faith inward kid abuse as well as neglect.
I used to co-facilitate a grouping for parents who were trying to reunify amongst their children who had been removed past times the state. I recollect hearing the floor of 1 woman parent whose 12-year-old immature adult woman was removed from the abode because she had been constitute walking the streets at 2am along amongst the prostitutes as well as drug dealers. When her woman parent was telling the floor inward grouping she said, “The police pull brought her to my solid as well as I said at that spot is nix I tin strength out do almost this child. If it is God’s volition that he attempt me amongst a spiteful kid hence so hold upward it. If it is God’s innovation that she acquire her lessons past times getting raped, hence I cannot do anything to preclude that from happening. Who am I to interfere amongst His will?” In my caput I thought “Are y'all serious?” To the group, however, I said, “I run into that a lot of y'all are shaking your heads. What would y'all similar to say to her correct now?” Most of the grouping members told her she was incorrect – that god did non desire niggling girls to acquire raped. Some members, however, stopped brusque as well as said that God’s volition was a mysterious thing. At the time, my co-facilitator as well as I didn’t receive got the noesis or skills to address the religious implications. Frankly nosotros glossed over the God stuff. Which isn’t to say nosotros ever glossed over the God stuff. We were happy to verbalize amongst parents when they talked almost ways that their religious beliefs made them improve parents – improve inward the eyes of kid protective services. The express inquiry that at that spot is social workers’ integration of faith into their run amongst clients suggests that nosotros to a greater extent than oft than non focus on the goodness parts of faith (Canda & Furman, 1999; Murdock, 2005; Sheridan, 2004). Social workers tend to hold upward strengths based hence nosotros focus on the “helpfulness rather than the harmfulness of client’s spiritual or religious beliefs, practices, or back upward systems” (p. 158). So, my co-facilitator as well as I were non odd amidst social workers.
And yet, according to a 2010 survey of social workers past times Connie Kvarfordt from the University of Windsor inward Ontario, Canada, “social run practitioners recognize spiritual maltreatment every bit a legitimate type of abuse or neglect affecting children as well as adolescents…” (p. 158). She also suggests that spiritual maltreatment may hold upward occurring oft plenty that it needs to hold upward explored as well as addressed inward social run research, education, as well as practice.
I’m hoping that today’s interview volition hold upward a goodness position to start this conversation.
In today’s interview, Janet defines religious kid maltreatment, nosotros verbalize almost religious authoritarian cultures; verbalize over examples of religiously motivated physical, emotional as well as sexual abuse, as well as medical neglect; verbalize almost the laws that are inward position that encourage religious kid maltreatment, as well as verbalize over some ways that social service providers tin strength out verbalize amongst parents almost authoritarian religious communities as well as religious kid maltreatment.
A duet of notes almost today’s interview. The starting fourth dimension is that Janet as well as I spoke over Skype as well as at that spot are a duet of places where the sound gets clipped. The minute is that Janet’s mass focuses on as well as consequently our interview is almost religious kid maltreatment inward the USA. I didn’t think much almost this fact until I read an article inward the 2010 mass of the British Journal of Social Work past times January Horwath as well as Janet Lees from the University of Sheffield inward the UK. They wrote a truly overnice review article almost the influence of religious beliefs on parenting capacity. And 1 of the things they pointed out is that everyone has a dissimilar Definition of religion. And non alone that, the context of religious practices is dissimilar inward the USA than inward the UK. So this isn’t to say that those of y'all listening inward the UK, or Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, or whatever other province for that affair should NOT hear to today’s episode (I think it is a pretty darn goodness episode). I would just encourage y'all to think almost how the ideas that Janet introduces fits or doesn’t jibe amongst the ideas of faith inward your purpose of the world. And now, without farther ado, on to Episode 71 of the Social Work Podcast, Religious Child Maltreatment: An Interview amongst Janet Heimlich.
Interview
Jonathan Singer: Janet, cheers hence much for beingness amongst us today on the Social Work Podcast to verbalize almost religious kid maltreatment. You've written a whole mass on this topic as well as I suspect that most people receive got never heard of the term. What is religious kid maltreatment?
Janet Heimlich: Well, give cheers y'all for having me, Jonathan. Religious kid maltreatment is kid abuse or neglect that is largely caused past times religious belief as well as religious – these could hold upward religious beliefs that are held past times the victim, the perpetrator or the surrounding community. Before I started working on this book, the term "religious kid maltreatment" literally didn't exist. At least, Google had never heard of it. I did searches on it inward quotes as well as literally nix came upward except for maybe 1 or ii items that I had been writing. I chose that term specifically because I felt it described the nature of these forms of abuse as well as neglect as well as some people receive got been bothered past times the give-and-take "maltreatment" but every bit most members of your audience know maltreatment includes both abuse as well as neglect.
I'm certainly non maxim that anyone that teaches their kid faith that there's going to hold upward problems nor am I maxim that if it's religion-infused maltreatment that it's going to hold upward necessarily worse than if it happened inward a secular environment. But I do experience it's of import to telephone call upward out specifically the aspects of kid abuse as well as neglect that are significantly influenced past times religious beliefs of those involved as well as hence that's what I've tried to do amongst this book.
Jonathan Singer: Well as well as you're truly clear inward your mass that you're non dismissing religion. You're non pinning religious beliefs every bit inherently bad but y'all do position something that y'all telephone call upward a religious authoritarian culture. And from my reading of your book, it seems similar that's what y'all advise is or that's where the intersection of faith as well as kid maltreatment exists.
Janet Heimlich: Right. So, I thought it was extremely of import to await at where the problems lie. What causes sure kinds of faith to hold upward salubrious for children as well as what causes sure kinds of faith to hold upward unhealthy. So, I observed from studying many cases, many studies as well as doing many interviews that at that spot was a universal problematic theme running through a lot of these cases. When a kid is beingness raised inward a religious authoritarian civilization whether that civilization hold upward a unmarried household, a position of worship, a broader community when at that spot are authoritarian influences, I had constitute that children inward those environments are at greater gamble for religious kid maltreatment as well as I sort of telephone call upward out iii perfect tempest aspects that determine whether or non it is religiously authoritarian. The starting fourth dimension is that there's a strict social hierarchy inward the culture. The minute is that the civilization is real fear-based as well as the tertiary is that at that spot is social separatism.
Jonathan Singer: So, how does this all touching on the parent's powerfulness to parent? What would brand living inward a faith – what's it called, an authoritarian religious community to a greater extent than conducive to a parent beingness to a greater extent than abusive or neglectful?
Janet Heimlich: Yeah, y'all receive got hitting on the crux of the issue. The way that this religious authoritarian materials affects kids inward a bad way is truly how it straight impacts the lives of parents. I starting fourth dimension started to acquire almost the parental influence side of things when I read almost harmful cults as well as how children are abused inward cults as well as Margaret Singer, 1 of the country's biggest cult experts, define this truly clearly when she noted that the parents locomote what she calls "middle managers" where they're allowing the influences past times the cult leader to determine how they enhance their kids. Parents are the ultimate protectors of children.
Most of the time, when they occupation their ain instincts on how to enhance children, they brand peachy decisions but if they're inward an surround where they're next along the norms of a grouping or they're say doing what their religious leader tells them to do, oftentimes it's non necessarily inward the best involvement of the children. Oftentimes, the decisions are made truly for the betterment of the overall community. And that's non necessarily a bad thing for kids, but many times nosotros run into things similar authoritarian parenting styles, excessive or a reliance on corporal penalty which tin strength out Pb to abuse. Emotional as well as psychological issues come upward up because the religious indoctrination is real of import as well as hence they're sort of neglecting the child's intellectual as well as emotional needs.
Jonathan Singer: It's truly interesting to think almost parents every bit "middle managers." I truly similar that concept. Middle managers inward these authoritarian communities or environments where they're having to negotiate the, y'all know, the needs of the community as well as the needs of the child. It sounds similar when the needs of the kid lose out, that's when it becomes kid maltreatment. You carve upward your mass into the 4 types of kid maltreatment: Physical abuse, emotional abuse, sexual abuse as well as neglect, specifically medical neglect. I was wondering if y'all could part some examples inward purpose because many of the folks that hear to this run amongst kids who've been abused or neglected or at gamble for beingness abused or neglected as well as non just kid welfare workers but all social workers as well as service providers who run amongst children as well as families as well as I truly think that exploring this thought could assist folks think to a greater extent than broadly almost abuse as well as neglect past times bringing inward this number of religion.
Janet Heimlich: Sure. Throughout my book, I don't focus on whatever detail religion. I'm looking at Christian-based cultures, Jewish-based cultures as well as Muslim-based cultures. When it comes to say physical abuse, corporal penalty is a large purpose of promoting the thought of obedience as well as that thought of obedience is real rigid as well as of import for everybody non just children. When it comes to emotional maltreatment, I run into that every bit beingness the most widespread shape as well as specifically exploiting. It's 1 of 4 types of emotional maltreatment that I focus on. I've interviewed 1 immature adult woman or excuse me, I interviewed a adult woman who when she was a niggling girl, she spent her kindergarten twelvemonth inward the bath hiding out because her woman parent made it clear that her purpose inward life was to locomote upward to the teacher, locomote upward to her friends as well as anybody inward the schoolhouse as well as plough them over to Jesus, somehow. She was a shy kid as well as this was just devastating to her to receive got to do that. So, a lot of times it's just truly non agreement children real good as well as their development.
Jonathan Singer: So, inward this example, the intersection of emotional abuse as well as faith is the parents forcing the kid to proselytize, something that she was hence terrified to do that she spent a twelvemonth hiding out inward the bath as well as wasn't able to interact amongst her peers. She wasn't able to engage inward what nosotros call, "normative social development."
Janet Heimlich: Right. Influenza A virus subtype H5N1 kid volition locomote what I telephone call upward a "little preacher." Get upward inward front end of the congregation or exit into the community as well as salve souls as well as that sort of thing as well as sometimes that could hold upward real rewarding for a kid to pick out on that purpose but oftentimes at to the lowest degree from the interviews I did, it was truly stressful on the kid to assume that sort of responsibleness as well as 1 thing that I learned when I was looking at issues of psychological maltreatment is that to position it, y'all don't demand to furnish evidence that the kid is negatively affected. It's truly just the activity itself that the adult does. So, if an adult for illustration were say to a child, "You're a sinner as well as you've made God angry," that's an illustration of spurning. If y'all say to a child, "If y'all don't obey me exactly, you've sinned past times doing something bad as well as you're going to locomote to hell," that's an illustration of terrorizing.
Jonathan Singer: So, what are some examples of religiously motivated sexual abuse as well as medical neglect?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. When it comes to religious kid sexual abuse, it's most oft non of a religious belief that straight impacts, y'all know, the perpetrator's actions. There receive got been some fringy groups, some that are non all that little that truly do believe that at that spot needs to hold upward sexual activity betwixt adults as well as children every bit purpose of their salvation-type doctrines as well as that sort of thing. But for the most part, religions do non say, y'all know, nosotros should hold upward sexually abusing children. We should hold upward having sexual relations betwixt adults as well as children. However, at that spot are other religious beliefs that do contribute to that as well as that is mainly the powerfulness as well as residue that happens betwixt perpetrator as well as victim every bit good every bit the views of just the purpose of religious regime inward a religious community as well as that truly is what I run into every bit the most problematic belief that nosotros don't just await upward to a religious authority, that we're supposed to revere as well as worship that individual as well as to the signal where our critical thinking is hence out the window that, y'all know, nosotros trust them to hold upward lonely amongst a kid without doing background checks without truly checking out this person.
But a lot of that does come upward from the parental mindset that if it's someone amongst a religious authorisation as well as that includes inward the abode every bit good where the religious authorisation unremarkably the virile individual parent is that their authorisation is non questioned as well as the victim is completely helpless if that sort of sexual abuse starts happening. As far every bit medical neglect, I chose to receive got the neglect department focus on medical neglect. I do verbalize almost other forms of religiously-based neglect. In fact, I'll just throw 1 at y'all that comes from a electrical current event. Most people are non aware of Harold Camping's simulated prediction almost the destination of the reason as well as that sort of thing as well as I think a lot of people, the media included were sort of chuckling almost how that powerfulness hold upward impacting or what causes people to receive got those kinds of beliefs as well as making a joke almost it. But I–
Jonathan Singer: And you're talking almost Harold Camping, the American Christian radio broadcaster that wrongly predicted the destination of the reason on, was it May 21st, 2011?
Janet Heimlich: Yes, that's right, just about that time. And he got just huge media play. I mean, this was a national floor - fifty-fifty an international story. I noticed though that piece some, at that spot were some tragic circumstances that were covered past times the media, for example, families just giving upward every penny they had because they believed that they wouldn't demand it inward the afterlife. People were truly looking at how that sort of prediction affects children. So, I wrote a spider web log called "How End Times Beliefs Affect Children." And what I just want was that at that spot was to a greater extent than attending paid to, well, how does a household unit of measurement giving upward everything they ain as well as becoming destitute touching on their children? How are their children affected when the parents realize that all, their entire faith system, y'all know, has been turned on its head?
That to me is an illustration of religious neglect. But inward price of what I truly felt that's constitute on the book, yes every bit y'all said medical neglect, I experience similar that detail shape of maltreatment is extremely serious as well as to a greater extent than widespread than people think it is. I think that much of the populace is aware of this job because at that spot receive got been some high profile kid decease cases inward the media but inward alone rare occasions do they destination upward amongst a kid dying. It tin strength out Pb to a kid just non getting appropriate dental care, having some sickness that just ends upward getting worse as well as worse as well as worse as well as tin strength out Pb to permanent physical problems or fifty-fifty mental problems.
Jonathan Singer: When I think almost a kid getting sicker as well as sicker, y'all know, beingness inward hurting as well as maybe this is because I'm a parent. I'm remembering times when my immature adult woman had an ear infection as well as was crying as well as belongings her ear similar inward those times I desire to do everything I tin strength out to halt the pain. I can't imagine withholding medical intervention. Now, I hateful I acquire that y'all said before that, y'all know, parents inward these authoritarian religious communities are middle managers, correct as well as that they're constantly having to weigh the needs of the community amongst the needs of their child, I just can't imagine though what do nosotros do to a parent or what do nosotros pick out for a parent to determine to do something that would wound their kid?
Janet Heimlich: I think I do desire to just add together that when it comes to the mindset of parents that, for example, deny their children medical attention because of their religious beliefs, they also believe that they are doing everything that they should hold upward doing every bit a parent to pray over their kid because they experience that the best way that they tin strength out serve their kid is to do whatever it takes to endeavor to attain God as well as to receive got a deity brand their kid improve as well as they're non going to telephone call upward the MD because they may receive got all sorts of negative ideas almost medical care, y'all know, beingness evil for illustration or they just don't trust it. So, y'all receive got that mindset going on too.
Jonathan Singer: Right. That's fair plenty as well as y'all know you're intentional inward your mass almost pointing to this thought of authoritarianism non religiosity that's problematic. And this brings me to something that y'all wrote almost inward your mass that I think could hold upward truly useful as well as truly practical for service providers who are, y'all know, curious almost their client's involvement inward religious authoritarian communities. You wrote a serial of questions that parents tin strength out enquire themselves almost their religious community that truly gets at this enquiry of how authoritarian is it? And fifty-fifty though y'all didn't write these questions for service providers, I could easily imagine replacing the "I" amongst "you" as well as turning the questions into a truly overnice slice of an interview. Could y'all read some of those questions?
Janet Heimlich: Sure, no problem. Some of the questions include: Do I enhance my kid according to strict guidelines or beliefs held past times my faith community? Would I hold upward rebuked or treated coldly if I did non follow those norms including enforcing strict dependent area inward the abode as well as using physical penalty inward ways that brand me experience uneasy? Do my faith leaders tell us God wants us to spank our kids? Are children inward my position of worship treated respectfully fifty-fifty when they misbehave or are they made to experience shameful? If parents or children demand assist managing their lives, does my position of worship offering suggestions for mental wellness services or just tell them to verbalize to a fellow member of the clergy, pray harder or undergo an exorcism?
Jonathan Singer: Right. And I just experience similar I demand to say for the tape that these aren't questions that the kid welfare worker would enquire inward monastic tell to brand a determination of kid abuse or neglect. These are just questions that tin strength out tap into the beliefs or doctrine of someone's religious community as well as it is a conversation starter.
Janet Heimlich: Right. I'm non maxim that every bit a parent says, "Well yeah, my pastor said that God says nosotros should spank our kids," as well as that correct at that spot means, y'all know, kids receive got to hold upward removed from the homes. I'm non maxim that at all but at that spot powerfulness hold upward a niggling flag that goes upward to say, "Well, maybe at that spot are some authoritarian influences going on hither that could perchance hold upward detrimental to the children."
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, as well as y'all receive got a duet of questions that locomote beyond assessing authoritarian religious communities as well as displace into religiously motivated kid abuse. Could y'all read those?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. If I were to disclose out that my kid was abused past times a fellow member of my faith community or if I had rigid suspicions that such abuse had taken place, would I experience comfortable reporting that abuse to exterior authorities? Or, would I experience obligated to starting fourth dimension contact faith leaders as well as follow their instruction? If I did speak to faith leaders first, would they probable advise me to study the allegations to law enforcement or kid protective services or to bargain amongst the job inside the church?
Jonathan Singer: Yeah. And clearly if I had a customer who response that their religious community would discourage reporting suspected abuse or neglect, hence I would receive got a goodness topic for my adjacent supervision session amidst other things. Now, 1 of the things I truly liked almost your mass is that it's non written for social workers as well as hence y'all talked broadly almost what people tin strength out do to address religiously motivated kid maltreatment or religious kid maltreatment as well as for me it's ever overnice reading books non directed towards social workers because at that spot are just sure topics that social run text encompass all the fourth dimension as well as reading your mass was a truly overnice way of moving exterior of that. So, what are some things that y'all constitute that people are doing or should hold upward doing to address religious kid maltreatment?
Janet Heimlich: Generally speaking inward a higher position as well as beyond all, it's of import for Americans to endeavor to await at religious influences every bit objectively every bit possible. I believe that also many people receive got a bias where they receive got a truly difficult fourth dimension accepting that piece faith tin strength out pick out peachy comfort as well as nurturing to children, it tin strength out also locomote the other way as well as I've seen some cases where law enforcements, social workers didn't truly pick out the instance seriously because at that spot was faith involved. If the parents were taking some activity that they truly believed was according to their religious customs, individuals receive got looked the other way or the laws looked the other way or courts receive got looked the other way. Many types of abuses I run into every bit beingness accepted. Of course, non the religious ones but that they receive got been to a greater extent than acceptable inward our club just because at that spot is some sort of religious justification to it.
Jonathan Singer: And inward your book, y'all signal out that looking the other way is oft allowed nether the law called – what's it – faith healing related religious exemptions as well as y'all telephone call upward for the repeal of these laws?
Janet Heimlich: Right, that's a perfect illustration as well as these laws, these religious exemption laws were largely pose inward position across the country, State past times State every bit a consequence of the lobbying past times prominent Christian scientific discipline officials as well as immediately we're seeing that non alone receive got those laws, y'all know, caused problems as well as cases just never fifty-fifty getting to the courts but it's – are slow but for sure repealing these laws as well as Oregon is 1 State that just stands poised correct immediately to acquire rid of its exemption. That detail State is 1 that has seen severe problems amongst religious kid medical neglect amidst 1 religious community called the Followers of Christ as well as their graveyard is just total of immature people who receive got died sometimes real oft every bit toddlers, babies or who died inward childbirth or women as well as kid inward childbirth because their belief scheme is hence rigid towards using faith healing every bit opposed to seeking whatever sort of medical care.
Jonathan Singer: So, I think this is a truly of import signal to clarify. So, you're maxim that at that spot are laws on the books that do ii dissimilar standards for abuse as well as neglect. Laws that allow people to engage inward medical neglect, rather to non seek handling for their kid because of their religious beliefs as well as because they tin strength out say, "Well, my religious belief say I don't receive got to seek medical attention." They're non held to the same laws that I would hold upward held to if I didn't receive got some sort of religious doctrine that guided my choice. Did I acquire that right?
Janet Heimlich: Absolutely as well as some other illustration would hold upward vaccinations. I'm non maxim that parents shouldn't receive got the correct to determine whether or non their children acquire vaccinated but at that spot receive got been problems wherein a religious community that is staunchly against vaccination, they'll just, y'all know, acquire inward an across-the-board determination that no 1 gets vaccinated without truly looking at the research, non fifty-fifty truly becoming familiar amongst the benefits of vaccination as well as every bit a result, children receive got died fifty-fifty from diseases that, y'all know, nosotros don't fifty-fifty hear almost anymore. There had been outbreaks of polio, for example. So, y'all know, this is – it's of import to allow some exemptions inward the law but at the same fourth dimension if there's non plenty instruction where religious communities acquire almost medical advances as well as things similar that as well as the possible detriments of non seeking medical attention or vaccinating their children hence you're going to receive got to a greater extent than as well as to a greater extent than these kinds of cases.
Jonathan Singer: And some other signal y'all made inward your mass as well as I think has peculiarly remained to service providers is that these types of laws discourage folks who are religious from calling the MD or 911 as well as it encourages mandated reporters to non study things that they suspect are abusive or neglectful. That's a huge job because hence that cuts out an entire grouping of professionals whose project it is to protect kids.
Janet Heimlich: Yeah. I strongly concur amongst that inward price of the starting fourth dimension point, it is without enquiry inward my stance that if y'all receive got some sort of law that gives prosecutorial immunity to a parent for non delivering medical attention to their kid nether sure circumstances hence you're going to run into to a greater extent than of those kinds of cases. I think that the law has to hold upward careful sometimes as well as await at things on a case-by-case basis, but to just receive got this blanket immunity where every bit long every bit someone is practicing their faith past times using faith healing as well as it's purpose of a religious, a well-known religious institution. There are States that allow that as well as hence you're going to run into to a greater extent than cases there. In price of the reporting, that to me is the most serious job as well as the most universal job when it comes to these cases as well as I desire to say, too, that fifty-fifty though isolated groups are past times far the most probable to resist reporting to exterior authorities, you've seen a resistance to study kid abuse cases.
Even inward the larger "mainstream" institutions, the pope, for example, has never 1 time said that bishops as well as priests should study kid maltreatment every bit long every bit there's a credible instance that they should automatically do that. Instead, at that spot receive got been instructions that they ship those cases upward to the high ranks of the Vatican or that they study if they're legally required to inward their local jurisdiction. Well, the job at that spot is that at that spot are all sorts of loopholes inward State as well as local laws that allow clergy to avoid reporting abuses. I mean, at that spot receive got been cases where a priest volition "confess' to a bishop that he molested a kid as well as the bishop could say, "Well, I'm non going to study that because that falls nether the surface area of confession as well as since y'all know, as well as I receive got to protect that person's privacy". Meanwhile, the abuse could locomote along on as well as hence this failure to study is a serious job inward all sorts of religious communities.
Jonathan Singer: So you'd advocate for clergy to hold upward required to study suspected or known abuse or neglect inward the same way that doctors, teachers, nurses, social workers as well as others are mandated to do?
Janet Heimlich: I do.
Jonathan Singer: Another thing that y'all talked almost is extending or eliminating statutes of limitation for sexual abuse lawsuits. Can y'all verbalize almost why that would hold upward of import for religious kid maltreatment or kid sexual abuse that involves religious communities or institutions?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. I do think these statutes of limitations when they offering this relatively narrow window where someone tin strength out enhance a instance inward the courts or file a lawsuit touching on many, many victims of sexual abuse fifty-fifty if faith is non involved but when y'all receive got powerful religious organizations as well as their teams of lawyers that tin strength out delay cases as well as receive got them just stretch out to the signal where the statute of limitation is used upward peculiarly inward States that, y'all know, just receive got a brusque menses of fourth dimension from when the alleged victim is no longer a pocket-sized hence y'all receive got those victims that are truly at a loss as well as they tin strength out locomote to a lawyer as well as say "This happened to me. I desire to sue," as well as they tin strength out hold upward told that there's just no way because nosotros don't receive got the law on our side as well as hence that individual is completely out of luck.
Jonathan Singer: Well, on that truly discouraging note, Janet I desire to give cheers y'all hence much for talking amongst us today on this Social Work Podcast almost religious kid maltreatment, a dependent that every bit y'all receive got pointed out inward your writings is non something that social run or truly anybody talks much almost as well as I thought your mass was truly engaging, a truly clear as well as like shooting fish in a barrel read as well as something that I think that social workers would truly acquire a lot out of reading, maybe doing a mass grouping almost as well as y'all receive got a truly overnice companion website either breakingtheirwill.com or religiouschildmaltreatment.com, I noticed that Google searches went to the same website when y'all pose inward both those topics. And y'all receive got educational resources. You also write a spider web log where y'all verbalize almost electrical current events such every bit the Harold Camping number as well as hence that's a position where folks tin strength out remain up-to-date on your thoughts on religiously motivated kid abuse as well as neglect inward the news. So, before nosotros go, do y'all receive got whatever final words for social workers or other mental wellness professionals?
Janet Heimlich: I just encourage those who are out at that spot inward the plain as well as doing all this peachy run as well as tin strength out part their personal experiences of having come upward across these kinds of problems. It would hold upward peachy to hear from y'all past times either emailing me through my website or commenting on the blogs hence that others tin strength out acquire from you. I think that would hold upward just truly helpful to maintain the conversation moving forward.
Jonathan Singer: That's great. Well, Janet cheers hence much for taking the fourth dimension out to verbalize amongst us today.
Janet Heimlich: Thank y'all hence much for having me.
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Singer, J. B. (Host). (2012, Feb 27). Religious Child Maltreatment: Interview amongst Janet Heimlich [Episode 71]. Social Work Podcast. Podcast retrieved Month Day, Year, from "How End Times Beliefs Affect Children." And what I just want was that at that spot was to a greater extent than attending paid to, well, how does a household unit of measurement giving upward everything they ain as well as becoming destitute touching on their children? How are their children affected when the parents realize that all, their entire faith system, y'all know, has been turned on its head?
That to me is an illustration of religious neglect. But inward price of what I truly felt that's constitute on the book, yes every bit y'all said medical neglect, I experience similar that detail shape of maltreatment is extremely serious as well as to a greater extent than widespread than people think it is. I think that much of the populace is aware of this job because at that spot receive got been some high profile kid decease cases inward the media but inward alone rare occasions do they destination upward amongst a kid dying. It tin strength out Pb to a kid just non getting appropriate dental care, having some sickness that just ends upward getting worse as well as worse as well as worse as well as tin strength out Pb to permanent physical problems or fifty-fifty mental problems.
Jonathan Singer: When I think almost a kid getting sicker as well as sicker, y'all know, beingness inward hurting as well as maybe this is because I'm a parent. I'm remembering times when my immature adult woman had an ear infection as well as was crying as well as belongings her ear similar inward those times I desire to do everything I tin strength out to halt the pain. I can't imagine withholding medical intervention. Now, I hateful I acquire that y'all said before that, y'all know, parents inward these authoritarian religious communities are middle managers, correct as well as that they're constantly having to weigh the needs of the community amongst the needs of their child, I just can't imagine though what do nosotros do to a parent or what do nosotros pick out for a parent to determine to do something that would wound their kid?
Janet Heimlich: I think I do desire to just add together that when it comes to the mindset of parents that, for example, deny their children medical attention because of their religious beliefs, they also believe that they are doing everything that they should hold upward doing every bit a parent to pray over their kid because they experience that the best way that they tin strength out serve their kid is to do whatever it takes to endeavor to attain God as well as to receive got a deity brand their kid improve as well as they're non going to telephone call upward the MD because they may receive got all sorts of negative ideas almost medical care, y'all know, beingness evil for illustration or they just don't trust it. So, y'all receive got that mindset going on too.
Jonathan Singer: Right. That's fair plenty as well as y'all know you're intentional inward your mass almost pointing to this thought of authoritarianism non religiosity that's problematic. And this brings me to something that y'all wrote almost inward your mass that I think could hold upward truly useful as well as truly practical for service providers who are, y'all know, curious almost their client's involvement inward religious authoritarian communities. You wrote a serial of questions that parents tin strength out enquire themselves almost their religious community that truly gets at this enquiry of how authoritarian is it? And fifty-fifty though y'all didn't write these questions for service providers, I could easily imagine replacing the "I" amongst "you" as well as turning the questions into a truly overnice slice of an interview. Could y'all read some of those questions?
Janet Heimlich: Sure, no problem. Some of the questions include: Do I enhance my kid according to strict guidelines or beliefs held past times my faith community? Would I hold upward rebuked or treated coldly if I did non follow those norms including enforcing strict dependent area inward the abode as well as using physical penalty inward ways that brand me experience uneasy? Do my faith leaders tell us God wants us to spank our kids? Are children inward my position of worship treated respectfully fifty-fifty when they misbehave or are they made to experience shameful? If parents or children demand assist managing their lives, does my position of worship offering suggestions for mental wellness services or just tell them to verbalize to a fellow member of the clergy, pray harder or undergo an exorcism?
Jonathan Singer: Right. And I just experience similar I demand to say for the tape that these aren't questions that the kid welfare worker would enquire inward monastic tell to brand a determination of kid abuse or neglect. These are just questions that tin strength out tap into the beliefs or doctrine of someone's religious community as well as it is a conversation starter.
Janet Heimlich: Right. I'm non maxim that every bit a parent says, "Well yeah, my pastor said that God says nosotros should spank our kids," as well as that correct at that spot means, y'all know, kids receive got to hold upward removed from the homes. I'm non maxim that at all but at that spot powerfulness hold upward a niggling flag that goes upward to say, "Well, maybe at that spot are some authoritarian influences going on hither that could perchance hold upward detrimental to the children."
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, as well as y'all receive got a duet of questions that locomote beyond assessing authoritarian religious communities as well as displace into religiously motivated kid abuse. Could y'all read those?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. If I were to disclose out that my kid was abused past times a fellow member of my faith community or if I had rigid suspicions that such abuse had taken place, would I experience comfortable reporting that abuse to exterior authorities? Or, would I experience obligated to starting fourth dimension contact faith leaders as well as follow their instruction? If I did speak to faith leaders first, would they probable advise me to study the allegations to law enforcement or kid protective services or to bargain amongst the job inside the church?
Jonathan Singer: Yeah. And clearly if I had a customer who response that their religious community would discourage reporting suspected abuse or neglect, hence I would receive got a goodness topic for my adjacent supervision session amidst other things. Now, 1 of the things I truly liked almost your mass is that it's non written for social workers as well as hence y'all talked broadly almost what people tin strength out do to address religiously motivated kid maltreatment or religious kid maltreatment as well as for me it's ever overnice reading books non directed towards social workers because at that spot are just sure topics that social run text encompass all the fourth dimension as well as reading your mass was a truly overnice way of moving exterior of that. So, what are some things that y'all constitute that people are doing or should hold upward doing to address religious kid maltreatment?
Janet Heimlich: Generally speaking inward a higher position as well as beyond all, it's of import for Americans to endeavor to await at religious influences every bit objectively every bit possible. I believe that also many people receive got a bias where they receive got a truly difficult fourth dimension accepting that piece faith tin strength out pick out peachy comfort as well as nurturing to children, it tin strength out also locomote the other way as well as I've seen some cases where law enforcements, social workers didn't truly pick out the instance seriously because at that spot was faith involved. If the parents were taking some activity that they truly believed was according to their religious customs, individuals receive got looked the other way or the laws looked the other way or courts receive got looked the other way. Many types of abuses I run into every bit beingness accepted. Of course, non the religious ones but that they receive got been to a greater extent than acceptable inward our club just because at that spot is some sort of religious justification to it.
Jonathan Singer: And inward your book, y'all signal out that looking the other way is oft allowed nether the law called – what's it – faith healing related religious exemptions as well as y'all telephone call upward for the repeal of these laws?
Janet Heimlich: Right, that's a perfect illustration as well as these laws, these religious exemption laws were largely pose inward position across the country, State past times State every bit a consequence of the lobbying past times prominent Christian scientific discipline officials as well as immediately we're seeing that non alone receive got those laws, y'all know, caused problems as well as cases just never fifty-fifty getting to the courts but it's – are slow but for sure repealing these laws as well as Oregon is 1 State that just stands poised correct immediately to acquire rid of its exemption. That detail State is 1 that has seen severe problems amongst religious kid medical neglect amidst 1 religious community called the Followers of Christ as well as their graveyard is just total of immature people who receive got died sometimes real oft every bit toddlers, babies or who died inward childbirth or women as well as kid inward childbirth because their belief scheme is hence rigid towards using faith healing every bit opposed to seeking whatever sort of medical care.
Jonathan Singer: So, I think this is a truly of import signal to clarify. So, you're maxim that at that spot are laws on the books that do ii dissimilar standards for abuse as well as neglect. Laws that allow people to engage inward medical neglect, rather to non seek handling for their kid because of their religious beliefs as well as because they tin strength out say, "Well, my religious belief say I don't receive got to seek medical attention." They're non held to the same laws that I would hold upward held to if I didn't receive got some sort of religious doctrine that guided my choice. Did I acquire that right?
Janet Heimlich: Absolutely as well as some other illustration would hold upward vaccinations. I'm non maxim that parents shouldn't receive got the correct to determine whether or non their children acquire vaccinated but at that spot receive got been problems wherein a religious community that is staunchly against vaccination, they'll just, y'all know, acquire inward an across-the-board determination that no 1 gets vaccinated without truly looking at the research, non fifty-fifty truly becoming familiar amongst the benefits of vaccination as well as every bit a result, children receive got died fifty-fifty from diseases that, y'all know, nosotros don't fifty-fifty hear almost anymore. There had been outbreaks of polio, for example. So, y'all know, this is – it's of import to allow some exemptions inward the law but at the same fourth dimension if there's non plenty instruction where religious communities acquire almost medical advances as well as things similar that as well as the possible detriments of non seeking medical attention or vaccinating their children hence you're going to receive got to a greater extent than as well as to a greater extent than these kinds of cases.
Jonathan Singer: And some other signal y'all made inward your mass as well as I think has peculiarly remained to service providers is that these types of laws discourage folks who are religious from calling the MD or 911 as well as it encourages mandated reporters to non study things that they suspect are abusive or neglectful. That's a huge job because hence that cuts out an entire grouping of professionals whose project it is to protect kids.
Janet Heimlich: Yeah. I strongly concur amongst that inward price of the starting fourth dimension point, it is without enquiry inward my stance that if y'all receive got some sort of law that gives prosecutorial immunity to a parent for non delivering medical attention to their kid nether sure circumstances hence you're going to run into to a greater extent than of those kinds of cases. I think that the law has to hold upward careful sometimes as well as await at things on a case-by-case basis, but to just receive got this blanket immunity where every bit long every bit someone is practicing their faith past times using faith healing as well as it's purpose of a religious, a well-known religious institution. There are States that allow that as well as hence you're going to run into to a greater extent than cases there. In price of the reporting, that to me is the most serious job as well as the most universal job when it comes to these cases as well as I desire to say, too, that fifty-fifty though isolated groups are past times far the most probable to resist reporting to exterior authorities, you've seen a resistance to study kid abuse cases.
Even inward the larger "mainstream" institutions, the pope, for example, has never 1 time said that bishops as well as priests should study kid maltreatment every bit long every bit there's a credible instance that they should automatically do that. Instead, at that spot receive got been instructions that they ship those cases upward to the high ranks of the Vatican or that they study if they're legally required to inward their local jurisdiction. Well, the job at that spot is that at that spot are all sorts of loopholes inward State as well as local laws that allow clergy to avoid reporting abuses. I mean, at that spot receive got been cases where a priest volition "confess' to a bishop that he molested a kid as well as the bishop could say, "Well, I'm non going to study that because that falls nether the surface area of confession as well as since y'all know, as well as I receive got to protect that person's privacy". Meanwhile, the abuse could locomote along on as well as hence this failure to study is a serious job inward all sorts of religious communities.
Jonathan Singer: So you'd advocate for clergy to hold upward required to study suspected or known abuse or neglect inward the same way that doctors, teachers, nurses, social workers as well as others are mandated to do?
Janet Heimlich: I do.
Jonathan Singer: Another thing that y'all talked almost is extending or eliminating statutes of limitation for sexual abuse lawsuits. Can y'all verbalize almost why that would hold upward of import for religious kid maltreatment or kid sexual abuse that involves religious communities or institutions?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. I do think these statutes of limitations when they offering this relatively narrow window where someone tin strength out enhance a instance inward the courts or file a lawsuit touching on many, many victims of sexual abuse fifty-fifty if faith is non involved but when y'all receive got powerful religious organizations as well as their teams of lawyers that tin strength out delay cases as well as receive got them just stretch out to the signal where the statute of limitation is used upward peculiarly inward States that, y'all know, just receive got a brusque menses of fourth dimension from when the alleged victim is no longer a pocket-sized hence y'all receive got those victims that are truly at a loss as well as they tin strength out locomote to a lawyer as well as say "This happened to me. I desire to sue," as well as they tin strength out hold upward told that there's just no way because nosotros don't receive got the law on our side as well as hence that individual is completely out of luck.
Jonathan Singer: Well, on that truly discouraging note, Janet I desire to give cheers y'all hence much for talking amongst us today on this Social Work Podcast almost religious kid maltreatment, a dependent that every bit y'all receive got pointed out inward your writings is non something that social run or truly anybody talks much almost as well as I thought your mass was truly engaging, a truly clear as well as like shooting fish in a barrel read as well as something that I think that social workers would truly acquire a lot out of reading, maybe doing a mass grouping almost as well as y'all receive got a truly overnice companion website either breakingtheirwill.com or religiouschildmaltreatment.com, I noticed that Google searches went to the same website when y'all pose inward both those topics. And y'all receive got educational resources. You also write a spider web log where y'all verbalize almost electrical current events such every bit the Harold Camping number as well as hence that's a position where folks tin strength out remain up-to-date on your thoughts on religiously motivated kid abuse as well as neglect inward the news. So, before nosotros go, do y'all receive got whatever final words for social workers or other mental wellness professionals?
Janet Heimlich: I just encourage those who are out at that spot inward the plain as well as doing all this peachy run as well as tin strength out part their personal experiences of having come upward across these kinds of problems. It would hold upward peachy to hear from y'all past times either emailing me through my website or commenting on the blogs hence that others tin strength out acquire from you. I think that would hold upward just truly helpful to maintain the conversation moving forward.
Jonathan Singer: That's great. Well, Janet cheers hence much for taking the fourth dimension out to verbalize amongst us today.
Janet Heimlich: Thank y'all hence much for having me.
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References as well as Resources
Heimlich, J. (2011). Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books.
Horwath, J., & Lees, J. (2010). Assessing the influence of religious beliefs as well as practices on parenting capacity: The challenges for social run practitioners. British Journal of Social Work, 40(1): 82-99 doi:10.1093/bjsw/bcn116
Kvarfordt, C. K., & Sheridan, M. J. (2007). The purpose of faith as well as spirituality inward working amongst children as well as adolescents. Journal of Religion & Spirituality inward Social Work, 26(3), 1-23. doi:10.1300/J377v26n03_01.
Kvarfordt, C. L. (2010). Spiritual abuse as well as neglect of youth: Reconceptualizing what is known through an investigation of practitioners' experiences. Journal of Religion & Spirituality inward Social Work, 29(2), 143-164. doi:10.1080/15426431003708287
Prior, M. K., & Quinn, A. S. (2010): The human relationship betwixt childhood emotional neglect as well as adult spirituality: An exploratory study. Journal of Religion & Spirituality inward Social Work, 29(4), 277-299. doi:10.1080/15426432.2010.518816
Singer, M. T. (2003). Cults inward our midst: The continuing struggle against their hidden menace. San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.
/search?q=how-end-times-beliefs-harm-children/">"How End Times Beliefs Affect Children." And what I just want was that at that spot was to a greater extent than attending paid to, well, how does a household unit of measurement giving upward everything they ain as well as becoming destitute touching on their children? How are their children affected when the parents realize that all, their entire faith system, y'all know, has been turned on its head?
That to me is an illustration of religious neglect. But inward price of what I truly felt that's constitute on the book, yes every bit y'all said medical neglect, I experience similar that detail shape of maltreatment is extremely serious as well as to a greater extent than widespread than people think it is. I think that much of the populace is aware of this job because at that spot receive got been some high profile kid decease cases inward the media but inward alone rare occasions do they destination upward amongst a kid dying. It tin strength out Pb to a kid just non getting appropriate dental care, having some sickness that just ends upward getting worse as well as worse as well as worse as well as tin strength out Pb to permanent physical problems or fifty-fifty mental problems.
Jonathan Singer: When I think almost a kid getting sicker as well as sicker, y'all know, beingness inward hurting as well as maybe this is because I'm a parent. I'm remembering times when my immature adult woman had an ear infection as well as was crying as well as belongings her ear similar inward those times I desire to do everything I tin strength out to halt the pain. I can't imagine withholding medical intervention. Now, I hateful I acquire that y'all said before that, y'all know, parents inward these authoritarian religious communities are middle managers, correct as well as that they're constantly having to weigh the needs of the community amongst the needs of their child, I just can't imagine though what do nosotros do to a parent or what do nosotros pick out for a parent to determine to do something that would wound their kid?
Janet Heimlich: I think I do desire to just add together that when it comes to the mindset of parents that, for example, deny their children medical attention because of their religious beliefs, they also believe that they are doing everything that they should hold upward doing every bit a parent to pray over their kid because they experience that the best way that they tin strength out serve their kid is to do whatever it takes to endeavor to attain God as well as to receive got a deity brand their kid improve as well as they're non going to telephone call upward the MD because they may receive got all sorts of negative ideas almost medical care, y'all know, beingness evil for illustration or they just don't trust it. So, y'all receive got that mindset going on too.
Jonathan Singer: Right. That's fair plenty as well as y'all know you're intentional inward your mass almost pointing to this thought of authoritarianism non religiosity that's problematic. And this brings me to something that y'all wrote almost inward your mass that I think could hold upward truly useful as well as truly practical for service providers who are, y'all know, curious almost their client's involvement inward religious authoritarian communities. You wrote a serial of questions that parents tin strength out enquire themselves almost their religious community that truly gets at this enquiry of how authoritarian is it? And fifty-fifty though y'all didn't write these questions for service providers, I could easily imagine replacing the "I" amongst "you" as well as turning the questions into a truly overnice slice of an interview. Could y'all read some of those questions?
Janet Heimlich: Sure, no problem. Some of the questions include: Do I enhance my kid according to strict guidelines or beliefs held past times my faith community? Would I hold upward rebuked or treated coldly if I did non follow those norms including enforcing strict dependent area inward the abode as well as using physical penalty inward ways that brand me experience uneasy? Do my faith leaders tell us God wants us to spank our kids? Are children inward my position of worship treated respectfully fifty-fifty when they misbehave or are they made to experience shameful? If parents or children demand assist managing their lives, does my position of worship offering suggestions for mental wellness services or just tell them to verbalize to a fellow member of the clergy, pray harder or undergo an exorcism?
Jonathan Singer: Right. And I just experience similar I demand to say for the tape that these aren't questions that the kid welfare worker would enquire inward monastic tell to brand a determination of kid abuse or neglect. These are just questions that tin strength out tap into the beliefs or doctrine of someone's religious community as well as it is a conversation starter.
Janet Heimlich: Right. I'm non maxim that every bit a parent says, "Well yeah, my pastor said that God says nosotros should spank our kids," as well as that correct at that spot means, y'all know, kids receive got to hold upward removed from the homes. I'm non maxim that at all but at that spot powerfulness hold upward a niggling flag that goes upward to say, "Well, maybe at that spot are some authoritarian influences going on hither that could perchance hold upward detrimental to the children."
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, as well as y'all receive got a duet of questions that locomote beyond assessing authoritarian religious communities as well as displace into religiously motivated kid abuse. Could y'all read those?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. If I were to disclose out that my kid was abused past times a fellow member of my faith community or if I had rigid suspicions that such abuse had taken place, would I experience comfortable reporting that abuse to exterior authorities? Or, would I experience obligated to starting fourth dimension contact faith leaders as well as follow their instruction? If I did speak to faith leaders first, would they probable advise me to study the allegations to law enforcement or kid protective services or to bargain amongst the job inside the church?
Jonathan Singer: Yeah. And clearly if I had a customer who response that their religious community would discourage reporting suspected abuse or neglect, hence I would receive got a goodness topic for my adjacent supervision session amidst other things. Now, 1 of the things I truly liked almost your mass is that it's non written for social workers as well as hence y'all talked broadly almost what people tin strength out do to address religiously motivated kid maltreatment or religious kid maltreatment as well as for me it's ever overnice reading books non directed towards social workers because at that spot are just sure topics that social run text encompass all the fourth dimension as well as reading your mass was a truly overnice way of moving exterior of that. So, what are some things that y'all constitute that people are doing or should hold upward doing to address religious kid maltreatment?
Janet Heimlich: Generally speaking inward a higher position as well as beyond all, it's of import for Americans to endeavor to await at religious influences every bit objectively every bit possible. I believe that also many people receive got a bias where they receive got a truly difficult fourth dimension accepting that piece faith tin strength out pick out peachy comfort as well as nurturing to children, it tin strength out also locomote the other way as well as I've seen some cases where law enforcements, social workers didn't truly pick out the instance seriously because at that spot was faith involved. If the parents were taking some activity that they truly believed was according to their religious customs, individuals receive got looked the other way or the laws looked the other way or courts receive got looked the other way. Many types of abuses I run into every bit beingness accepted. Of course, non the religious ones but that they receive got been to a greater extent than acceptable inward our club just because at that spot is some sort of religious justification to it.
Jonathan Singer: And inward your book, y'all signal out that looking the other way is oft allowed nether the law called – what's it – faith healing related religious exemptions as well as y'all telephone call upward for the repeal of these laws?
Janet Heimlich: Right, that's a perfect illustration as well as these laws, these religious exemption laws were largely pose inward position across the country, State past times State every bit a consequence of the lobbying past times prominent Christian scientific discipline officials as well as immediately we're seeing that non alone receive got those laws, y'all know, caused problems as well as cases just never fifty-fifty getting to the courts but it's – are slow but for sure repealing these laws as well as Oregon is 1 State that just stands poised correct immediately to acquire rid of its exemption. That detail State is 1 that has seen severe problems amongst religious kid medical neglect amidst 1 religious community called the Followers of Christ as well as their graveyard is just total of immature people who receive got died sometimes real oft every bit toddlers, babies or who died inward childbirth or women as well as kid inward childbirth because their belief scheme is hence rigid towards using faith healing every bit opposed to seeking whatever sort of medical care.
Jonathan Singer: So, I think this is a truly of import signal to clarify. So, you're maxim that at that spot are laws on the books that do ii dissimilar standards for abuse as well as neglect. Laws that allow people to engage inward medical neglect, rather to non seek handling for their kid because of their religious beliefs as well as because they tin strength out say, "Well, my religious belief say I don't receive got to seek medical attention." They're non held to the same laws that I would hold upward held to if I didn't receive got some sort of religious doctrine that guided my choice. Did I acquire that right?
Janet Heimlich: Absolutely as well as some other illustration would hold upward vaccinations. I'm non maxim that parents shouldn't receive got the correct to determine whether or non their children acquire vaccinated but at that spot receive got been problems wherein a religious community that is staunchly against vaccination, they'll just, y'all know, acquire inward an across-the-board determination that no 1 gets vaccinated without truly looking at the research, non fifty-fifty truly becoming familiar amongst the benefits of vaccination as well as every bit a result, children receive got died fifty-fifty from diseases that, y'all know, nosotros don't fifty-fifty hear almost anymore. There had been outbreaks of polio, for example. So, y'all know, this is – it's of import to allow some exemptions inward the law but at the same fourth dimension if there's non plenty instruction where religious communities acquire almost medical advances as well as things similar that as well as the possible detriments of non seeking medical attention or vaccinating their children hence you're going to receive got to a greater extent than as well as to a greater extent than these kinds of cases.
Jonathan Singer: And some other signal y'all made inward your mass as well as I think has peculiarly remained to service providers is that these types of laws discourage folks who are religious from calling the MD or 911 as well as it encourages mandated reporters to non study things that they suspect are abusive or neglectful. That's a huge job because hence that cuts out an entire grouping of professionals whose project it is to protect kids.
Janet Heimlich: Yeah. I strongly concur amongst that inward price of the starting fourth dimension point, it is without enquiry inward my stance that if y'all receive got some sort of law that gives prosecutorial immunity to a parent for non delivering medical attention to their kid nether sure circumstances hence you're going to run into to a greater extent than of those kinds of cases. I think that the law has to hold upward careful sometimes as well as await at things on a case-by-case basis, but to just receive got this blanket immunity where every bit long every bit someone is practicing their faith past times using faith healing as well as it's purpose of a religious, a well-known religious institution. There are States that allow that as well as hence you're going to run into to a greater extent than cases there. In price of the reporting, that to me is the most serious job as well as the most universal job when it comes to these cases as well as I desire to say, too, that fifty-fifty though isolated groups are past times far the most probable to resist reporting to exterior authorities, you've seen a resistance to study kid abuse cases.
Even inward the larger "mainstream" institutions, the pope, for example, has never 1 time said that bishops as well as priests should study kid maltreatment every bit long every bit there's a credible instance that they should automatically do that. Instead, at that spot receive got been instructions that they ship those cases upward to the high ranks of the Vatican or that they study if they're legally required to inward their local jurisdiction. Well, the job at that spot is that at that spot are all sorts of loopholes inward State as well as local laws that allow clergy to avoid reporting abuses. I mean, at that spot receive got been cases where a priest volition "confess' to a bishop that he molested a kid as well as the bishop could say, "Well, I'm non going to study that because that falls nether the surface area of confession as well as since y'all know, as well as I receive got to protect that person's privacy". Meanwhile, the abuse could locomote along on as well as hence this failure to study is a serious job inward all sorts of religious communities.
Jonathan Singer: So you'd advocate for clergy to hold upward required to study suspected or known abuse or neglect inward the same way that doctors, teachers, nurses, social workers as well as others are mandated to do?
Janet Heimlich: I do.
Jonathan Singer: Another thing that y'all talked almost is extending or eliminating statutes of limitation for sexual abuse lawsuits. Can y'all verbalize almost why that would hold upward of import for religious kid maltreatment or kid sexual abuse that involves religious communities or institutions?
Janet Heimlich: Sure. I do think these statutes of limitations when they offering this relatively narrow window where someone tin strength out enhance a instance inward the courts or file a lawsuit touching on many, many victims of sexual abuse fifty-fifty if faith is non involved but when y'all receive got powerful religious organizations as well as their teams of lawyers that tin strength out delay cases as well as receive got them just stretch out to the signal where the statute of limitation is used upward peculiarly inward States that, y'all know, just receive got a brusque menses of fourth dimension from when the alleged victim is no longer a pocket-sized hence y'all receive got those victims that are truly at a loss as well as they tin strength out locomote to a lawyer as well as say "This happened to me. I desire to sue," as well as they tin strength out hold upward told that there's just no way because nosotros don't receive got the law on our side as well as hence that individual is completely out of luck.
Jonathan Singer: Well, on that truly discouraging note, Janet I desire to give cheers y'all hence much for talking amongst us today on this Social Work Podcast almost religious kid maltreatment, a dependent that every bit y'all receive got pointed out inward your writings is non something that social run or truly anybody talks much almost as well as I thought your mass was truly engaging, a truly clear as well as like shooting fish in a barrel read as well as something that I think that social workers would truly acquire a lot out of reading, maybe doing a mass grouping almost as well as y'all receive got a truly overnice companion website either breakingtheirwill.com or religiouschildmaltreatment.com, I noticed that Google searches went to the same website when y'all pose inward both those topics. And y'all receive got educational resources. You also write a spider web log where y'all verbalize almost electrical current events such every bit the Harold Camping number as well as hence that's a position where folks tin strength out remain up-to-date on your thoughts on religiously motivated kid abuse as well as neglect inward the news. So, before nosotros go, do y'all receive got whatever final words for social workers or other mental wellness professionals?
Janet Heimlich: I just encourage those who are out at that spot inward the plain as well as doing all this peachy run as well as tin strength out part their personal experiences of having come upward across these kinds of problems. It would hold upward peachy to hear from y'all past times either emailing me through my website or commenting on the blogs hence that others tin strength out acquire from you. I think that would hold upward just truly helpful to maintain the conversation moving forward.
Jonathan Singer: That's great. Well, Janet cheers hence much for taking the fourth dimension out to verbalize amongst us today.
Janet Heimlich: Thank y'all hence much for having me.
End
References as well as Resources
Heimlich, J. (2011). Breaking Their Will: Shedding Light on Religious Child Maltreatment. Amherst, NY: Prometheus Books.
Horwath, J., & Lees, J. (2010). Assessing the influence of religious beliefs as well as practices on parenting capacity: The challenges for social run practitioners. British Journal of Social Work, 40(1): 82-99 doi:10.1093/bjsw/bcn116
Kvarfordt, C. K., & Sheridan, M. J. (2007). The purpose of faith as well as spirituality inward working amongst children as well as adolescents. Journal of Religion & Spirituality inward Social Work, 26(3), 1-23. doi:10.1300/J377v26n03_01.
Kvarfordt, C. L. (2010). Spiritual abuse as well as neglect of youth: Reconceptualizing what is known through an investigation of practitioners' experiences. Journal of Religion & Spirituality inward Social Work, 29(2), 143-164. doi:10.1080/15426431003708287
Prior, M. K., & Quinn, A. S. (2010): The human relationship betwixt childhood emotional neglect as well as adult spirituality: An exploratory study. Journal of Religion & Spirituality inward Social Work, 29(4), 277-299. doi:10.1080/15426432.2010.518816
Singer, M. T. (2003). Cults inward our midst: The continuing struggle against their hidden menace. San Francisco, CA: Jossey-Bass.
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