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Danielle Parrish: Hi, this is Danielle Parrish. In today's Social Work Podcast, I'm talking amongst Jonathan Singer, the founder together with host of the Social Work Podcast, close the podcast. Jonathan received his MSSW from UT Austin, his Ph.D. from the University of Pittsburgh together with he's forthwith on faculty at the Temple University inwards Philadelphia. He had genuinely invited me to, to do an interview at S.S.W.R. (Society for Social Work together with Research) on evidence-based do together with inwards furnish I was genuinely interested inwards learning to a greater extent than close the Social Work Podcast together with wanted to interview him every bit well.
So, today we're going to beak a niggling chip close how the Social Work Podcast started, how he selects his topics together with the people that he interviews together with how subsequently the interview the podcast is genuinely produced together with and then finally how he connects amongst his listeners inwards a multifariousness of ways. So, I institute it interesting. I'm sure y'all will, too. So, forthwith on to episode 64 Behind the Scenes at the Social Work Podcast: An Interview amongst Jonathan Singer.
Hi Jonathan. Thank y'all for joining us today together with talking amongst us close the Social Work Podcast.
Jonathan Singer: You're welcome Danielle. Are y'all trying to live me?
Danielle Parrish: [Laughs] I am. [Laughs] I acquire to live y'all for a day.
Jonathan Singer: That's right. I'm real glad to live hither talking close the Social Work Podcast. Thank y'all for asking me to do this.
Danielle Parrish: It's my pleasure. I'm excited to larn to a greater extent than close form of how this developed together with where things have got gone since, since y'all started it inwards 2007.
Jonathan Singer: Great.
Danielle Parrish: So, tin y'all start past times talking a niggling chip close what Pb to your determination to start the Social Work Podcast?
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, therefore I was teaching a do theory cast at the University of Pittsburgh together with I wanted my students to have got summaries of the lectures because I knew that they volition live of import when they took their licensure exam. And together with then I realized if I seat them on the content management organization - it was Blackboard at the University of Pittsburgh - that the students wouldn't have got access to them in 1 lawsuit they graduated.
So, I decided that I would give it a domain name. I institute SocialWorkPodcast.com. It was available - which is I estimate non therefore much of a surprise inwards 2007 - together with and then got some server infinite together with I started recording these summaries together with posting them online together with I told my students that they were there. And that's what I did.
Danielle Parrish: So, it sounds similar it genuinely started out every bit a teaching modality to back upwards your course of teaching and, y'all know, form of, you've taken that together with you've integrated your noesis of technology scientific discipline together with it's acquire form of but taken off for something non but reaching students but a wider audience of practitioners together with researchers. Do y'all all the same job it on your courses?
Jonathan Singer: I do job it inwards my courses.
Danielle Parrish: Yes.
Jonathan Singer: And I experience a niggling bad for my students because I think there's something -- I've heard from other instructors that in that location is something overnice close assigning the podcast because it gives their students a unlike perspective but my pitiful students have got to hear to me inwards cast together with and then they have got to hear to me exterior of cast therefore [Laughs]… I do job it.
And genuinely I job the podcast every bit a reminder for myself when I'm prepping for, for my classes. Like when I'm teaching conduct theory, I volition hear to my podcast on conduct theory because it reminds me of some of the things that are important. Or, y'all know, if I'm talking close working amongst various populations, I mightiness hear to the interview that I did amongst Nancy Boyd-Franklin close spirituality inwards African-American families or whatsoever number of topics. It's a goodness reminder for me every bit an teacher to convey upwards things inwards class.
Danielle Parrish: So, at what betoken did it motility from beingness your ain summaries to involving other professionals within, inside social piece of work together with I'm assuming perchance other disciplines every bit well.
Jonathan Singer: I seek together with stick to social workers.
Danielle Parrish: Oh.
Jonathan Singer: But in that location have got been interviews -- a yoke of folks were non social workers, Chris Wolf, a sexual activity therapist, I interviewed her. Nancy Boyd-Franklin, she's a psychologist but is sort of an adopted social worker. I seek together with stick amongst social workers because I think it's of import for where social piece of work students to live able to access these technology scientific discipline resources created past times together with for social workers. There are a lot of resources out in that location for counselors. There's the American Counseling Association Podcast. It's got a lot of topics on clinical issues. American Psychological Association has information out there. So, I wanted the social piece of work perspective.
Now, I did a bunch of summaries of lectures that I gave together with therefore those were the initiatory of all episodes that went up. DSM for social workers, crisis intervention, the basics together with I already have got those lectures written therefore it was inwards a feel it was slow to, to tape them together with and then subsequently awhile I form of ran out. [Laughs]
I didn't have got much to a greater extent than to state together with therefore I started interviewing folks. I interviewed Ed Sites who is a Professor Emeritus from University of Pittsburgh. We talked close grant writing. Here is a guy who has successfully received I think almost one-half a billion dollars inwards grant funding through his career. He's never in 1 lawsuit inwards his career been without a grant similar therefore who improve to beak close writing a grant than Ed Sites together with I was at the University of Pittsburgh. He was at the University of Pittsburgh. I knew he was retiring together with I thought I desire to archive this. I don't desire to have got to come upwards up amongst a lecture on grant writing for my students when Ed could do it for me but he can't invitee lecture because he's retiring, therefore I'll tape it. So, business office of the operate is to have got an archive of noesis that is inwards the profession together with to have got it therefore that I could access it together with therefore that, y'all know, if you're, if you're 1 of 2 instructors inwards a small-scale social piece of work program, somewhere inwards the United States, y'all tin have got invitee lectures past times Allen Rubin… You tin have got invitee lectures past times Kia Bentley… past times Larry Davis talking close race together with social problems. So, y'all tin have got these people come upwards to your classroom without whatsoever terms to you. So that's business office of why I did it.
Danielle Parrish: What an fantabulous resources for, for social piece of work educators. Have y'all gotten feedback close the job of the Social Work Podcast amidst educators together with social piece of work and…
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, I have. Influenza A virus subtype H5N1 number of social piece of work -- I've gotten emails from instructors -- together with some instructors, they'll electronic mail together with they'll state hey, would y'all -- is it okay if I link to the podcast together with I but desire everybody to know that it's, it's got a creative green license which agency every bit long every bit y'all don't alter it, every bit long every bit y'all don't brand coin off of it, together with every bit long every bit y'all attribute the content to the Social Work Podcast together with then y'all tin do whatever y'all desire amongst it. You tin have got the mp3 files together with upload them to Blackboard. You tin burn downwardly them onto a CD. You tin seat them on a difficult drive. You tin dub them on a cassette tape together with shipping them to your grandmother – it's totally legitimate, whatever y'all desire to do amongst them every bit long every bit y'all follow those uncomplicated 3 rules. And those are the -- it's basic academia, right? That's what nosotros do inwards academia amongst resources. We don't modify. We attribute together with nosotros sure don't brand whatsoever coin off of it. I don't brand -- I lose coin on this every yr because I have got to pay for server infinite together with the domain name. I don't acquire whatsoever coin inwards so… together with it's a service. I mean, that's why I do it.
So, instructors state they similar it. I acquire lots of emails from students. Some are looking for information. Do y'all have got a podcast on such together with such? I have got to give a cast presentation or I'm trying to do a newspaper on such together with such… do y'all have got PowerPoints that y'all tin shipping me? Whatever. And sometimes I'm able to state hey, I don't have got a podcast but the University of Buffalo, they've got a podcast here. It's called Living Proof Podcast. They have got an episode on this therefore I tin refer them to some other podcast. I also acquire a lot of emails from social workers inwards the plain who state that the podcast has been genuinely useful inwards helping them to transcend their licensure examination together with I, I think it's to a greater extent than placebo than anything else because there's aught -- I haven't looked at the licensure examination listing together with I don't do podcasts to prep for that. There are sites y'all tin travel to - in that location are lots of paying sites y'all tin do together with they have got fantabulous resources but, but yeah… So social workers inwards the plain state "it helped me transcend the licensure exam" or, "you know, I piece of work amongst this population. It was therefore overnice to do this or I but got dorsum into the field. Thank y'all therefore much. I've been listening to this." And practitioners together with instructors from around the globe have got sent emails together with said that they similar the podcast.
So, for me it's just, it's amazing because this is something that I started for my students at the University of Pittsburgh inwards 2007 together with it's manifestly met a need.
Danielle Parrish: Yeah, it sounds similar y'all have got a real broad audience. How do y'all choice your topics? How do y'all determine what to do next?
Jonathan Singer: That's a swell query together with in that location are a yoke of unlike ways. So, folks shipping me suggestions all the time. In the lastly 6 months I've gotten 17 requests for unlike topics. Sometimes I volition acquire a asking together with I volition search out somebody amongst expertise. Sometimes I know somebody amongst expertise that I know volition live a goodness interview together with I volition seek them out. And sometimes I'll live engaged inwards a conversation amongst somebody together with they'll say, "you know, I genuinely dear the podcast - I genuinely wishing in that location were to a greater extent than episodes on community organizing because I don't genuinely have got real many on community organizing at this point." And I'll state "oh, well, you're a community organizer?" "Yes, I am." "Well, let's do something amongst that." You know, therefore let's run across that need. So, those are 3 ways that, that I come upwards up amongst my topics together with there's no existent rhyme or argue for the companionship of what I issue when it's, whenever I acquire them out.
Danielle Parrish: So, how do y'all specifically engage your audience most? Is it through, through Facebook? Is it through your, your actual websites? And I sympathize that some folks are able to automatically download the podcast, therefore tin y'all beak a niggling chip close that together with for folks that are trying to rest continuously connected to the podcast?
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, absolutely. So, in that location are a lot of unlike ways that I connect amongst listeners. One of the ways is sometimes people post comments on the Social Work Podcast website. More oft they travel to Facebook because there's a Facebook fan page for the Social Work Podcast. Right forthwith in that location are almost 1500 fans of the Social Work Podcast from all over. If you're a fan of the Social Work Podcast together with then whenever there's a novel episode it automatically says hey, there's a novel episode. People "like" it. You know, they click the "like" push clit or the leave of absence a comment. I also have got a Twitter feed for the Social Work Podcast together with therefore sometimes I'll have got quotes from episodes together with I'll but post them upwards in that location or I volition state "I'm interviewing Danielle Parrish on evidence-based practice, is in that location anything y'all would similar me to enquire her?" I do that on Facebook together with and then people tin respond.
And so, increasingly I'm genuinely trying to integrate listeners' questions inwards my interviews because I think that's a genuinely interesting way of figuring out good what people desire to hear.
Danielle Parrish: Absolutely. So, you're getting feedback together with you're using multiple -- or through the social networking sites together with you're, looks similar you're using a lot of unlike ways to form of engage your audience through social networking.
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, together with I also have got -- there's a Google vocalisation telephone number together with therefore on the Social Work Podcast webpage if y'all -- on the correct side, there's something that says telephone telephone me together with y'all tin telephone telephone a number together with it goes automatically to voicemail together with y'all tin leave of absence me a message maxim "Hey, my call is Doug. I'm from Iowa together with I'm genuinely interested inwards how y'all piece of work amongst truancy inwards youth. Could y'all do a podcast on that?" And so, y'all tin genuinely leave of absence a voicemail if y'all don't desire to leave of absence a message or electronic mail or whatever. People tin also electronic mail me at cooljazz@flash.net and, y'all know, I respond to those. So, in that location are lots of ways to connect.
Danielle Parrish: [Laughs] Great. I would imagine that you've had an chance to run across a lot of unlike people through the course of teaching of interviewing for the, for the podcast together with I'm wondering what have got been some of the most memorable experiences for y'all inwards this procedure together with but inwards full general what the processes is similar coming together amongst therefore many unlike people across, y'all know, the social piece of work profession.
Jonathan Singer: Well, it's been great. I mean, people state that they larn from the podcast together with I sure larn from the interviews that I do. Sometimes I enquire questions because I think they're goodness prompts but oftentimes I enquire questions because I don't genuinely know the answers together with therefore I learn. I think that inwards terms of actual interviews, y'all know, they run the gamut.
Some of the interviews have got been but form of awe inspiring. And some of the interviews have got been challenges to figure out, y'all know, what's the correct question. Or, y'all know, I'll enquire a query together with I realize subsequently I've asked it, it's non getting it what I desire to exit of the question. As a clinician I know what that's like, but when you're having a session amongst a household unit of measurement or you're doing grouping or you're doing -- similar y'all tin do it again. But y'all don't desire to enquire the same query over together with over together with over in 1 lawsuit again inwards a podcast so, therefore that's been challenging.
But I think inwards terms of memorable interviews, I think that -- similar when I was interviewing Barbara Jones on Pediatric Oncology social work, I, I teared up. I was therefore moved past times the storey she was telling close the kids that she worked amongst together with I totally wasn't expecting that together with I think y'all tin hear that inwards the podcast. I mean, y'all can't hear me crying but y'all tin hear the, the sort of the connecter together with it's genuinely powerful. Another episode that was memorable for a unlike reason, I was interviewing Jim Drisko close reactive attachment disorder together with nosotros were inwards a hotel room together with they were -- somebody vacuuming exterior the door together with when they would stop, structure workers exterior the window would start together with they would halt together with and then the vacuums would start together with and then the structure workers together with it was, it was a stop-start interview, genuinely real challenging.
But genuinely the guests have got been therefore wonderful together with genuinely giving of their fourth dimension together with expertise. It's but been -- I don't know, for me it's been swell together with I think that people have got genuinely appreciated it together with therefore it's, it's similar a win-win. That's the swell thing. This is a win-win endeavor.
Danielle Parrish: So, in 1 lawsuit y'all complete the interview for the podcast, how do y'all seat everything together together with brand the concluding product?
Jonathan Singer: The concluding product, it starts fifty-fifty earlier the interview because I'm ever thinking close how tin I brand sure that this is no to a greater extent than than 45 minutes. You know, if y'all hear to professional person similar NPR or, like, I don't know - Terry Gross or mortal similar that similar - interviews don't lastly an hour. Really nobody tin similar sit down through that I hateful unless you're similar Bill Moyers, y'all know, together with you're interviewing Joseph Campbell, similar y'all can't do that.
So I ever come upwards up amongst a listing of questions inwards advance amongst my guest. I brand sure that they're comfortable amongst the questions. - that the questions are going to acquire subsequently what nosotros want. It's non similar (the CBS show) lx Minutes. I'm non trying to grab somebody inwards a lie. I'm but trying to acquire some useful information. So, together with then nosotros do the interview together with I ever allow people know that if they respond a query together with they desire to do over, nosotros tin totally do over. It's all on tape. We tin edit it out. That's fine.
So, in 1 lawsuit I have got that together with then I'll, I'll edit it. I job Sony Sound Forge to do the sound editing. I've got the intro together with the outro music. It's already prerecorded. I write an introduction where I beak close the guest. I give a summary of what the listeners volition hear together with and then they hear what they hear together with and then it's an outro. So, I seat all those together.
I relieve it every bit an MP3 file together with I job the same settings every bit NPR does for their podcast because I figure if NPR does it it's, it's goodness plenty for me. Then I upload it to the server together with I do something for the Social Work Podcast website. I update the RSS feed together with I ping iTunes together with and then it's off together with running.
Danielle Parrish: Wow. It sounds similar quite a procedure but 1 that you've genuinely been able to fine melody together with manifestly I've noticed that the sound lineament is genuinely goodness [Laughs] when I hear to the website which is, is amazing forthwith that I'm realizing that y'all do these interviews inwards hotel rooms together with when in that location could live vacuuming exterior and, y'all know, a multifariousness of noises inwards the background so.
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, I know together with I -- that's where the editing comes in. You know, I genuinely seek difficult to minimize those distracters but sometimes they happen, together with if they do I seek together with give a disclaimer upfront. Like in that location was a serial of interviews I did at Society for Social Work together with Research inwards 2010 together with in that location were pigeons on the balcony exterior the room together with y'all could hear them inwards the background. And so, inwards the start of those episodes I, I said together with "by the way, if y'all hear pigeons inwards the background, it's the recording, it's not, non you." [Laughter]
Danielle Parrish: I estimate y'all never know what you're going to hear.
Jonathan Singer: That -- that's right.
Danielle Parrish: And inwards whatsoever given place. [Laughs] So, how do y'all acquire a feel of what your, your audience is -- what is most pop amongst your audience, what they're liking that's beingness posted together with how many of a item podcast is beingness downloaded? How do y'all stair out that?
Jonathan Singer: You know that's a swell query together with there's this term "web metrics" which is a sort of measurement what happens on the internet. There's no touchstone these days for figuring out what are the, the best spider web metrics. It's similar inwards academia y'all tin human face at citation counts for articles. You know, how many times has your article been cited or y'all tin human face at an touching part for a mag together with there's, y'all know, there's, there's a formula for that.
I job Google Analytics, which is a gratuitous program, together with I also job Webalizer which is on the server. And those are 2 programs that give me information on whose listening -- on what podcasts are beingness downloaded together with how many visitors together with where they're from together with all that sort of stuff.
To the best that I tin tell each episode is beingness downloaded -- when it's initiatory of all posted it's downloaded betwixt 3500 together with 7500 times together with and then it goes downwardly each calendar month together with I think that's because in that location are a lot people who subscribe on iTunes. And therefore when therefore when there's a novel episode, iTunes automatically downloads it to your computer. And inwards fact that's the Definition of a podcast. Influenza A virus subtype H5N1 podcast is a combination of an sound file or a video file together with the technology scientific discipline called Real Simple Syndication or RSS that allows people to subscribe. And when y'all subscribe that agency it comes to y'all -- y'all don't have got to human face for it. And that's what distinguishes podcast from the technology scientific discipline that was around inwards the 1990s inwards the meshing where y'all could hear to sound on the web. And all that started around 2004.
So I know the interview on cognitive behavioral therapy has been downloaded 30,000+ times. I don't know if people have got listened to it 30,000+ times. I don't know if it was 30,000 private unique downloads. It could live that somebody downloaded it together with and then their calculator crashed, they downloaded it again. It's the same affair amongst visitors.
I know that in that location have got been close 100,000 unique visitors that have got come upwards to the site. So, each visitor counts 1 time. I count exclusively in 1 lawsuit inwards that number. But I know that in that location have got been over 300,000 page hits or page views together with therefore I acquire that information. I also know that in that location have got been visitors from 178 countries together with I know that most of them are from the US but in that location are a lot from the other English linguistic communication speaking countries. But in that location are also listeners inwards Islamic Republic of Iran together with Republic of Republic of India together with a bunch of countries inwards Africa and, together with I notice that genuinely interesting, too. I wonder who those people are.
Danielle Parrish: Mm-hmm.
Jonathan Singer: But that's non the form of information I tin acquire off of the internet. And therefore that's why when people contact me, I enquire them how did y'all notice the podcast? What episodes do y'all hear to? And therefore together with then I but get, y'all know, basic -- what's that called?
Danielle Parrish: Anecdotal.
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, I acquire anecdotal. [Laughter] I acquire anecdotal feedback so, yeah.
Danielle Parrish: So, it does sound similar a real difficult affair to measure. I'm intrigued past times the fact that you're getting folks that are viewing the podcast from all around the world. Do y'all acquire requests for unlike types of topics from other countries together with what those form of human face like?
Jonathan Singer: Yeah, I got a asking from somebody inwards Islamic Republic of Iran on a grouping piece of work amongst people amongst addictions inwards Islamic Republic of Iran together with I had no thought how to do that podcast. I've been inwards touching amongst some folks inwards Australia. There are some concepts inwards social piece of work that they instruct in that location that nosotros don't instruct inwards the US together with they've asked for me to do episodes on those concepts together with I've had to human face them up. So, I've had discussions amongst folk -- together with off the top of my caput I can't retrieve the names of them similar the concepts -- but that's interesting. And I've genuinely really wanted to do an episode where I have got social workers from unlike countries beak close what social piece of work is similar inwards that province or what the role of social workers is. I think that volition live genuinely interesting sort of international podcast.
Danielle Parrish: Yeah, that sounds similar it could live fascinating. Well, give thank y'all you therefore much for your fourth dimension today. It's been real interesting for me to larn to a greater extent than about, y'all know, the background together with history and, y'all know, ongoing procedure with, amongst the social piece of work podcast together with I human face frontwards to beingness an ongoing subscriber.
Jonathan Singer: [Laughs] Well give thank y'all you Danielle. Thanks for interviewing me. It's fun to beak close it. Thanks for giving me the opportunity. I'm glad y'all suggested that.
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